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Are there levels of depravity?

 
Author BravoCCRider
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#1 | Posted: 22 May 2024 16:27 
I'm toying with something like,... lost people like Joe Rogan and James Lindsay (just some examples) while certainly unregenerate and condemned as a result of having no faith in Jesus, AREN'T "given over to a reprobate mind." That's a lower level of... depravity, entailing active judgment in addition to their mere state of condemnation.

Because, folks like that still seem to see, and are incredulous, at the hordes of people in the west calling evil good and good evil. They still seem to have access and use of their natural law faculties, unlike those who would condemn us as genocidal monsters for opposing the genital mutilation of confused children. Thoughts?

Author BravoCCRider
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#2 | Posted: 22 May 2024 16:32 
Edit: They still seem to see basic "right from wrong;" their eyes have not been completely darkened. Their depravity has not been exacerbated by further judgement from God Paul seems to be outlining in Romans 1 — even while likely refusing to believe in God, and certainly not trusting in the salvific work of Christ's death and placing their hope in His certain and bodily resurrection.

Author A_Dent
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#3 | Posted: 22 May 2024 16:44 
I think that there might be. Perhaps it's a spectrum

People such as those you mention are still to the left of «regenerate» (a demarcation we can only make out blurrily, I would suggest), but have not slid as far as the race-baiting sex perverts who want to trans all the kids.

On the other hand, there are probably people who are close to that demarcation on the other side; people who believe in Jesus but indulge the lusts of the flesh, to borrow a phrase. The end of that road, I would say, is a seared conscience, a lost faith, and eternal condemnation. The Christian does not keep on (read «make a practice of») sinning (1 John 3:4-10).

We are to call them, and each other, to repentance and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins. The Holy Spirit will work what He wants to through the means of that Word proclaimed.

Author Scoop140
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#4 | Posted: 23 May 2024 21:22 
A_Dent
A_Dent:
On the other hand, there are probably people who are close to that demarcation on the other side; people who believe in Jesus but indulge the lusts of the flesh, to borrow a phrase.
I wonder what is to be made of this from Luther, recorded in the Smalcald Articles, in light of this discussion:

«So it is necessary to know and to teach this: When holy people — still having and feeling original sin and daily repenting and striving against it — happen to fall into manifest sins (as David did into adultery, murder, and blasphemy [2 Samuel 11]), then faith and the Holy Spirit have left them. The Holy Spirit does not permit sin to have dominion, to gain the upper hand so it can be carried out, but represses and restrains it from doing what it wants [Psalm 51:11; Romans 6:14]. If sin does what it wants, the Holy Spirit and faith are not present. For St. John says, 'No one born of God makes a practice of sinning...and he cannot keep on sinning' [1 John 3:9]. And yet it is also true when St. John says, 'If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us' [1:8].»

— SA III III 43-44

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